obsolete browsers are not supported…

…but not shut out either

If you are using an older, or a minor/​unusual, browser version, chances are quite a few things don't look right on pages across this site. In really, really, old or odd browsers things may look really, really, odd, and may make you wonder what's going on.

Regardless of browser, you should not have any real problems around here. Makes sense to use one of the “latest and greatest” browsers for optimal access and experience though.

optimized support for…

Internet Explorer 11
Trident – bugs: 3 6 8 9 10 12 13
retested on win10 3.5 of 5 stars

Firefox 19+
retested on win10 4.5 of 5 stars
Seamonkey 2.33.1+
retested on win10 4 of 5 stars

Google Chrome 43+
WebKit Blink – bugs: 11 weak: 6
retested on win10 4.5 of 5 stars

Opera 28+
WebKit Blink – bugs: 11
retested on win10 4.5 of 5 starsgood (+ for power‐users)
Opera 12.18
Presto/2.12.388 build:1873
retested on win10 4 of 5 stars n/a (discontinued)

Lynx 2.8.6+
( also tested: 2.8.7 & 2.8.8 )
retested on win10 4 of 5 starsgood (+ excellent test-tool)

Microsoft Edge 15+
Edge / WebKit – bugs: 12 13 weak: 12
retested on win10 4 of 5 stars(- weak/jerky rendering)

  1. Tests before 23.jun.2016 made on: Windows 7 Home Premium, 64-bits OS, 4GB RAM, Intel® CORE™ 2.20GHz.
  2. Tests from 23.jun.2016 onwards made on: Windows 10, 64-bits OS, 4GB RAM, Intel® CORE™ 2.20GHz.
  3. Tests from 01.aug.2017 also made on: Windows 10, 64-bits OS, 8GB RAM, Intel® CORE™ i5-7300HQ 2.50GHz.
  4. optimized support” = optimal use of browser's own capabilities, without vendor prefixes and/or workarounds for missing features.
    Older versions, and browsers that are discontinued or for the time being can not be tested, are, or will be, phased out and ignored.
  5. My “stars grading is based entirely on how the individual browser renders a cross‐section of my pages, and otherwise how it behaves on this site. How same browser behaves on sites not under my control, is irrelevant here.
    Browsers are ranged from “barely acceptable (1 star)” to “very good (5 stars)”. Most obvious bugs and weaknesses in a browser are marked with numbered links to descriptions.
  6. Personal opinion markers…
    Green thumbs‐up marked 'good': I find this browser particularly good in some respects.
    Pink thumbs‐down marked 'bad': I find this browser to cause more trouble than it is worth.
    Gold “N/A” marked 'n/a': unable to find/test later/better versions. Probably discontinued.
  7. Warning markers…
    Yellow warning sign marked 'viperware': unrequested software and/or unexpected and potentially disturbing behavior, follows installation. More on the issue.
    Red warning sign marked 'malware!': potentially malware infested installation software and/or browser. Recommend full clean‐up operation. More on the issue.
    Yellow/gray/red warning sign marked 'obs!': acting strangely behind the scene. Under observation for reclassification. More on the issue.
  8. Color overlays…
    (These overlays disappear on :hover / :active for full access to text and links.) A gray'ish overlay means I see no point in continuing testing of this browser. It may be too old and outdated, discontinued, or too much of a hassle to install and/or work with. A red'ish overlay means I won't download this browser or allow it to occupy space on my computers, for security or other reasons. Thus, it most likely won't be tested again, ever. As others may use these browsers, I keep them listed with my notations from earlier tests.
  9. Lynx, a text‐only browser, is of course graded entirely on its own merits, not against graphic browser standards. Same goes for the other text‐only browsers listed on this page.

limited support for old IE…

As of August 2016, support for IE8 and older, is dropped on this site. All stylesheets for them are disconnected.

All browsers relying on these old Trident engines are then of course also “lost”, and they will render unstyled pages on this site. The “break-point” for getting access to stylesheets goes with @mediaquery support, which IE8 and older don't have.

Stylesheets correcting rendering in IE9, IE10 and IE11 will stay connected a little longer, but they will not be updated alongside the regular stylesheets.

relevant info

performing quality checks

I got to know how browsers are doing, and how my HTML, CSS and scripts are treated across the board. Good practices matter as much now as they ever did, making more or less frequent cross browser testing a necessary routine.

The major browsers, and quite a few minor variants, are sharing space on harddisks and screens on my PCs. This is so I can keep track of how well they all work on today's web, and on my sites.

All available browser versions are run through a growing series of tests consisting of complex combinations of design techniques I do or intend to use. I don't try to avoid problems with browsers in web design, instead I provoke browsers so I can find solutions to more serious deviations.

In addition to dedicated test pages on other sites, a number of regular pages on this site are used for browser testing.

This very page is for instance full of “superfluous” elements, floated and positioned using a mix of methods, that can be manipulated further to make them stand out in context.
This way I can check line-up in browsers, and compare details to references as part of my browser grading with stars.

After that I check up if what looks like browser bugs really are browser bugs, and if so if it is time to add them to my little bug list. Not as many bugs in today's browsers as in those we used a decade ago, but one can never be sure.

All this to determine what can be made to work in new browser versions, and at what point it makes sense to ditch active support for older versions in order to make the most out of new arrivals.

we keep on testing

I have done testing of major and minor browsers' rendering and behavior related to my sites, for a long time, which can be seen by glancing at browser support listing on the much older sister-site.

Many of the alternative browsers listed here today, are the same as were checked up on half a decade ago. Some alternative browsers haven't been improved on much in that time-span, and some are “quite dead”.

Most major browsers from a decade ago, are still with us today, and they have all been improved on over the years. Good thing that, as my interest in active hacking to fix weak and buggy browsers, has diminished substantially over the years. It was fun once, but…

These days I prefer to ignore browsers that can't keep up, and focus on those that do well. Life as web designer/​developer gets so much easier that way.

I have already stressed my design well beyond breaking point in every way possible in major browsers, and have no problems with how it behaves. Content is accessible even when design looks seriously broken, and that is what really matters as far as I'm concerned.

sincerely  georg; sign

Weeki Wachee 04.may.2012
last rev: 16.sep.2020

www.gunlaug.com advice upgrade advice upgrade navigation